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Ladrones de lluvia

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Desde hace más de dos décadas se viene denunciando un misterioso caso en la Península Ibérica. Al parecer, cada vez que se aproxima una tormenta de granizo a ciertas zonas de la región, sobrevuelan los cielos unas avionetas que, según cuentan los lugareños, nadie sabe de dónde provienen, o quizá sí, y las nubes desaparecen.Técnica empleada:
Según cuentan los denunciantes, los aviones llevan cargas de yoduro de plata. El yoduro de plata puede ser lanzado a las nubes de tres maneras: El citado empleo de avionetas, la quema del producto con acetona en unos generadores que mandan emisiones a las nubes, y el lanzamiento de cohetes con la carga desde el suelo.

Esta técnica lleva siendo empleada con éxito desde finales de la década de los cincuenta. El bombardeo de nubes con yoduro de plata no es efectivo al cien por cien, pero si tiene un alto nivel de éxito, sobre todo si se practica en las condiciones óptimas. Se sabe que ha sido empleado en Israel y en EE. UU., así como su uso común en China y en la U.R.S.S.

Su principal utilidad era la de generar nubes de lluvia, aunque, como mencionamos, también se puede emplear para modificar una nube de tormenta hasta disiparla.

Las condiciones adecuadas para el uso del yoduro de plata, al parecer, son entre mayo y octubre, y especialmente en julio y agosto, época en la que en las regiones citadas se produce la mayor intensidad de tormentas de granizo.

Zonas más afectadas:
En la Península, la mayor parte de las tormentas de granizo vienen desde el Oeste, siendo atacadas las nubes que se dirigen en dirección Este. Los casos más paradigmáticos son Extremadura y Soria (Castilla). En Extremadura se aprovecha la frontera con Portugal para eludir la ley de aviación y disipar las nubes antes de alcanzar tierras extremeñas. En Soria, los aviones saldrían de la base aérea de Zaragoza (Aragón), y atacarían a las nubes para evitar los granizos en el Valle del Ebro.

Pero también hay denuncias en Jaén (Andalucía), cuyas principales asociaciones de agricultores arremeten contra la falta de lluvia y la desaparición de nubes para que no afecten al regadío de Murcia y Almería (Andalucía). En este caso la base de dónde saldrían los vuelos sería la base de Los Llanos, en Albacete (La Mancha).

Conspiraciones sobre quién está detrás de estos supuestos hechos:

  • El granizo estropea las cosechas, causando pérdidas a los agricultores de regadío, siendo estos los principales promotores de los “vuelos fantasma”.

  • Las empresas automovilísticas que aparcan los vehículos recién fabricados en grandes explanadas al aire libre. Los efectos de un fuerte granizo en las lunas de los automóviles expuestos a la intemperie serían muy perniciosos para estas empresas.

  • Las compañías aseguradoras que verían como los granizos elevarían las reclamaciones por daños sobre bienes asegurados, disminuyendo su cuenta de resultados.

A pesar de todo esto, en Aragón, por ejemplo, niegan el empleo de yoduro de plata en cohetes lanzados desde aviones, aunque sí reconocen haberlos empleado desde el suelo.

Consecuencias del yoduro de plata:
Al parecer, esta técnica no evitaría la lluvia, sólo transformaría el granizo en lluvia fina ya que el yoduro de plata favorecería la condensación. En el Estado Español está prohibido el uso de esta técnica, y más en avionetas. En Mendoza (Argentina) es común su uso.

Aunque la plata no es tóxica, en ciertas dosis podría llega a propiciar la aparición de cáncer, así que por este punto de vista, el ataque de las nubes con yoduro de plata, tampoco es recomendable para la salud.

El efecto sobre la fauna y la flora también puede ser ligeramente perjudicial, así como el rociar con sustancias químicas áreas muy grandes de terreno. Pero quizá el efecto más pernicioso es la modificación del régimen de lluvias, que puede llegar a la desertificación de una región determinada si no se deja que la naturaleza actúe de manera normal.

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696 comentarios para “Ladrones de lluvia”

  1. matias Says:

    Estoy casi seguro que la base aerea de Morón está en Moron de la Frontera, en la provincia de Cádiz, no en Zaragoza, como ponen en el blog.

    a no ser que en Zaragoza haya otra base con el mismo nombre, saludos

    felicidades por la pagina

  2. Victorino Blanco Says:

    Exactamente, son dos bases diferentes y no la misma base como erróneamente hemos puesto.

    Gracias por colaborar para eliminar fallos, todos mejoramos. La base de Morón de la Frontera está en Andalucía, creo que en Sevilla.

  3. camel Says:

    Aqui en extremadura tambien lo sufrimos.
    En concreto hay una finca de frutales llamada “Finca de la orden”, que cada vez que se acerca una tormenta procendente de Portugal, empiezan a lanzar cohetes, para desacerla.

    Me pregunto ¿que derecho tienen a trasformar o afectar el clima de una ciudad, posiblemente afectando a la salud de sus habitantes?. No me explico como las autoridades no intervienen en el tema.

    Un saludo.

  4. camel Says:

    Perdon en mi ultimo comentario he cometido un error, la finca a la que me refiero es “La adelantada” y no la de la orden.

  5. Pepito Says:

    Que yo sepa ay una base en moron de la frontera esta en la provincia de sevilla,tambien ay otra base en rota provincia de cadiz,por aqui en la zona de sevilla estoy asta los cojones de esuchar la avioneta cada ves que se pone en plan de llover llega y se lleba las nubes.

  6. Miquel A. Torra Sorribes Says:

    Aquí en Lérida hace años que nos quitan las lluvias, hemos creado un colectivo anti-yoduro de plata, llevamos a la Generalitat un proyecto de los quemadores de yoduro de plata y gracias a ello quitaron las subvenciones para ello. El tema de los aviones es mas duro, aquí la única gente que lo a logrado son los de Soria a base de luchar mucho y al final la solución fue pagar a una empresa que controle el espacio aéreo para denunciar si algún avión siembra las nubes con algún producto ya que en ESPAÑA esta totalmente prohibido. Aquí los embalses están vacíos y aun están destrozando las nubes….que pasa están locos.

  7. jose_pacense Says:

    CAMEL yo estoy trabajando en la Adelantada y por lo que veo los cohetes estan legalizados y tienen permiso para hacerlo.

    La Adelantada es una de las fincas de frutales mas grande de españa y pocas como esa hay en Europa, si no desiparan un de esas tormentas el granizo arrasaria con toda la fruta de la finca y eSto provocaria un daño enorme porque buena parte de España se quedaría sin frutas como: melocotones, nastarinas, peras, ciruelas etc. Como tambien se quedaría sin esa fruta paieses como Olanda Belgica Italia Suecia Francia, y algunos mas de EEUU. todo ello sin contar con los cientos de trabajadores que se quedarían sin trabajo.

    Una tormentas de esas no veneficia mucho a la sequía porque suelen ser solo de granizos y en poco mas de media hora se provocaría todo ese destrozo, en que te veneficia a ti estas tormentas? ¿Hay alguien que les beneficie?

    YO CREO QUE POR DESIPAR UNA NUBE NO ESTAMOS CAMBIANDO EL CLIMA NI PERJUDICANDO A NADIE.

  8. Alex Says:

    Perdonen,pero Morón de la Frontera está en la Provincia de Sevilla,No en la de Cádiz,además de esa Leyenda,hay otras de la Base Aérea de Morón de la Frontera,os cuento..
    Un día(No sé cual)En la Base Aérea de Morón de la Fra.
    Un muchacha de unos 15 o 16 años,estaba haciendo ”Footing” por la Base,dado que su padre Trabajaba allí.
    Por desgracia,uno de los camiones,un lamentable día,la atropelló.
    El conductor no estaba del todo despierto,pues le metieron una Gran Multa.
    Desde entonces(Se dice)que la Muchacha aparece donde murió,testigos unos Guardias de Turno de Noche que hacian su ronda Nocturna.
    Gracias por Su atención y a los que leyeron éste Post.
    Atte : Álex

  9. Arthur G. Hughes Says:

    en fin…pobres ignorantes,para que lo sepais..los mas contaminantes y causantes de mas de un 50% del cambio climatico…son los AVIONES,si,la querida aviación..esa que todos usais,esos aviones tam bonitos son los que nos llevaran al desastre…para que os entereis,un avion quema todo el combustible en las tubinas sin ningun tipo de filtrado(catalizador)todo ese Co2..es arrojado a la atmosfera sin ningun control,cientos de toneladas..durante todos los años que llevan volando los aviones..y de eso….veo que nadie dice nada de nada,que cinica y hipócrita es esta sociedad en la que vivimos,estos payasos del cambio climatico no dicen nada..claro como se nota que estan sobornados, ellos siguen usando los putos aviones,.mi coche y prácticamente todos..usamos gasolina sin plomo y tenemos catalizadores…putos demagogos de mierda….hay una cosa de la que me alegro..yo no lo vere..pero los hijos de vuestros hijos..no pasaran de los 20 años..ahora que dicen que duraremos 100 años..y en 80 años nos cepillamos el planeta..jajajajajaj,putos hipocritas y cinicos..como se nota que hay mucho dinero por medio..y politica..seguir cojiendo aviones para hacer distancias de poco mas de 1000 kilometros..en vez de usar otros medios.seguri arrojando miles de toneladas de Co2 sin filtrar…y seguir engordando los bolsillos de las compañis aereas……pobrecitos…me dais pena..cada vez hay mas desastres por el clima…y mas muertos…vosotros mismos……

  10. FOXSTAR Says:

    Mire usted: Voy a responderle a su privado, precisamente por eso, por ser privado. Yo lamento mucho sus vicisitudes en esta vida, pero no viene al cuento que usted, primero me las cuente, y segundo vuelque sobre mí sus estados de ánimo, sus neuras y sus paranoias, tengan fundamento o no.
    Y por supuesto, si eso fuera así, no entiendo como aún permanece activo en el foro; perdóneme pero no me interesa, y si tan mal se siente…¿a que vuelve?.

    No me cuente nada sobre nadie del foro, yo tengo la suficiente conciencia como para hacerme idea de quien es quien en el foro, y son mis ideas, y mis apreciaciones. Usted tenga las que quiera, pero no me mezcle a mi en sus neuras, sus combates y sus paranoias.

    Efectivamente, no nos conocemos…y déjelo así. Usted cambie el sentido de las frases según le interesa, y tergiversa lo que escribe, pero no lo hará conmigo; la radio para mi es una afición, pero profesionalmente, trato a diario con decenas de personas, de diferentes clases sociales, y diferentes problemas; soy un profesional de la sociología y usted no puede hacerme leer o comprender lo que no es cierto.

    Usted, escribió lo que escribió, y no intente cambiarlo, y cuando se dio cuenta de lo escrito, dónde usted solo se inculpaba, y dónde veía comentarios hacia su persona, y dándose cuenta de que quedaba en descubierto ante los lectores del foro, tomó la decisión más cobarde, desde mi punto de vista: Borró su mensaje en el foro, para que nadie leyera, lo escrito por usted, y lo contestado por mi. Yo pensé que había sido el Administrador, pero ya me confirmó que no había sido el, al preguntarle mediante un privado. Lo que usted no sabía, y ahora le digo, es que yo si copié el mensaje, y tengo las pantallas. Y podré demostrar siempre, lo que usted escribió, y cómo luego lo borró, así sabía que también borraría mis intervenciones.

    No se engañe; ni intente engañarme a mi. Usted escribió lo que escribió, haciendo juicios sin sentido de mis relaciones, mis conocidos y los miembros del foro.

    Aún así aceptaré sus disculpas, pero tenga lo que hay que tener, y discúlpese en público por sus equivocaciones, y por haber borrado el post. Sea consecuente, e intente hacer las cosas como debe, para que se le tenga respeto a sus acciones.

    Y si no va a actuar como creo debe hacerlo, por favor, ya se lo dije en el foro, en el mensaje que usted borró para que no se leyera… Por favor, ignóreme.
    Gracias.

    Me olvidaba he enviado un MP de protesta al moderador Huberto, le adjunto copia para que no se manipule este MP aqui ya no me fio de nadie.
    FOXSTAR.

    COPIA DEL MP:

    Me parece muy bién que “vele” por el FORO pero no de manera personal en vez de atacarme de esta manera haga el favor de hacer lo que tiene que hacer con toda la “porqueria” que hay por aqui debajo, expliqueme ud. porque continua registrado este usuario, le muestro uno de los MP mas light que me mando:

    usuario:felibeer

    por lo menos pareces un jilipollas redomado con tu actitud.pareces un entendido ,pero dentro del foro pareces una autentica mierda.No seas un entendido ( te cres )…. engreido que de tu vida te pueden decir mas de una cosa que tu prefieras esconder.

    encima este es de los que bajo otro “nick” se hace el respetable, !vamos hombre! y se preocupan de mis posts.. ¿y de mi vida personal que? que no paran de amenazarme y hacer la vida imposible, preocupese ud, de estos delincuentes y no de quien colabora para mantener este foro.FOXSTAR.

    Pues si me ha molestado y ya le he mandado MP de protesta a Huberto y a Robert, yo no estoy de acuerdo y como tal lo tengo que decir y expresar, posiblemente si hubiera recibido tu MP antes no lo hubiera hecho o no me hubiera molestado tanto, todo y esto te agradezco mucho el detalle que has tenido por MP, ahora estoy enojado y no lo voy a esconder, si encima que colaboras tantas horas y ayudas a este foro encima te hacen esto no lo veo correcto, el apartado donde se publico es el CORRECTO son grabaciones de Radioaficionados autenticas y van alli si alguien las cambia, esta faltandome al respeto me esta perjudicando sin motivo objetivo por tanto me lo tomo mal, mira ya lleva 100 visitas,creo que si hay interes en este post, meterlo hay perdido es hacerle el favor a todos estos que hay por aqui luchando para hundir este foro si dais este trato al que colabora…no me extraña que se crezcan hata hundir este foro que es su objetivo como todos sabeis, ya le he dicho a Huberto que se preocupe de erradicar estos personajes y no de mi que soy casi un trabajador de esta enpresa encima d e “cornudo” “apaleado” esto si que ya no lo voy a aceptar
    mira una muestra a ver porque continua este por aqui:

    Pues en privado se lo digo: IGNOREME, por favor. Vaya a lo suyo, haga lo que quiera en el foro, pero es facil, como ya le dije, sólo IGNOREME. Dirijase a otro, pero dejeme a mi en paz, y por favor,no me cite. Haga como que no existo.
    Gracias.

    Ahhh, y el de los shows mediaticos, es usted, y el que necesita publico es usted. Ya le comenté contestándole a sus privados;trato con mucha gente a diario, y le veo venir. Conozco a la gente que se expresa como usted, con misterios, aludiendo a conocimientos mediáticos, o de “servicios de inteligencia”… En fin …. usted mismo.
    Le repito, IGNOREME y si no puede hacerlo, pida ayuda. Siga su vida, pero no me incluya en ella, por favor.
    GRACIAS.
    BOSCO.

    Al respecto solo tengo que decirle que he tomado buena nota de sus amenazas publicas, sobre su trabajo… ya me informaré de si ud. esta colegiado..realmente es un peligro público, asi lo demuestra su agresividad y amenazas, mas popias de regiones de Italia, como Sicilia o Calabria, aunque alli son malos de verdad nada que ver con ud. quer no sabe si “mata o espanta” en Psicologia le pongo un 0 bien grande..no da ni una, con respecto a mi claro no puedo opinar del resto de sus pacientes, que quizas le tienen en mucha estima..ahi no entro, hablo de mi.

    Por cierto..por mi parte no se preocupe…jamas divulgo información recibida a traves de un medio privado, por mucho que ud. me diga o ud. haga,vamos se tiene que ser un “desequilibrado” para no entender esto. este tranquilo que soy persona de honor y actuo por mis principios independientemente de lo que ud. haga, eso si me reservo el derecho a defenderme y el que me busca me encuentra, para eso tengo algun sevicio contratado al respecto.

    No sufra mas que a partir de ahora le voy a ignorar..intente “hacer las paces” con ud, pero ya veo que no esta por la labor..en si creo que hasta voy a dejar de frecuentar este foro, visto los resultados..vengo aqui como “hobby” y no a pelearme con nadie, o sea que hare un planteamiento para su satisfaccion.saludos.FOXSTAR.

    FOXSTAR escribió:Buenas noches:

    Esta Semana Santa tengo previsto pasarla en la Costa Brava, mas concrétamente en esta zona.

    Ja,ja,ja…que pequeño es el mundo…si es que incluso pienso que estuvimos hablando..

    En serio acabo de leer este post… si lo hubiera sabido… resulta que alli tenemos 2 apartamentos de la “family” y suelo ir con frecuencia desde hace 30 años..

    Esta pasada “Semana Santa”,estuve ayudando a un amigo que tiene un Bar de copas y me presento varios Vascos, recuerdo también una pareja de Pamplona que tenian una “Harley”, ya me diras si ibas a un Bar llamado “SPLASH”, ponen musica Rock y variada.

    Si lo hubiera sabido, en serio te hubiera invitado a comer en un buen Restaurant de un amigo y podiamos haber hecho una visita a la base Americana LORAN que esta abandonada,o ir en Barco a las Islas Medas,pues vaya ha sido una lástima os hubiera hecho de guia por la zona.

    Que sepas que no tengo nada contigo, tu criticas, yo critico y asi, si en realidad me entretiene mucho y tambien divierte, en serio que no estoy enfadado , dentro de los criticadores se tiene que reconocer que tu tienes una clase y status, no entras en vulgaridades, aunque de vez en cuando me “vapuleas” muy finamente,eso si,,pero bueno que todos fueran como tu..

    Pues nada si quieres me dices si ibas a ese Bar… y un consejo ahora que quizas incluso estuvimos hablando… vigila a esos “amigos” que tienes y envias e-mails…quizas no son lo que parecen y no entienden lo que significa un e-mail privado, saludos.FOXSTAR.

    Hola:
    Efectívamente estuve en una casa rural que hay en Torroella de Montgri y ya me hubiera gustado conocerte… y cantarte unas cuantas cosas. La verdad que ya le pregunté a la Sra. de dicha casa, si conocía a D. Xavier Martí, pero esto es como preguntar por Perico en Roma.
    De cualquier forma, yo suelo viajar por trabajo, con cierta frecuencia a un par de fábricas de por ahí. Ya te avisaré.
    Pako.

    Ah! se me olvidaba… con respecto a lo que comenta de otros usuarios, creame no sabe lo que escribe, la mayoria de este Foro me apoya, eso si “en Privado” todos comentan lo mismo…”con estos energumenos y viendo lo que a ud. le hacen cualquiera sale aqui al “circo Romano” te comen estos “4″ y venimos por la Radio y no a que nos machaquen como le hacen a ud….esto es la constante, ahora ud. me cree o no, pero si me permite un consejo.. deje su “ceguera” y haga RAdio y dejese de ataques personales Y TONTERIAS INFANTILES QUE YA ABURREN y que a nadie le interesan, si fuera otro no se lo diria pero pienso que aun esta atiempo de ser un buen Radioaficionado y persona de peso en este foro, rectifique..¿no me cree? pues mire por donde que suerte porque al “hilo” de esto mire lo que le escribe uno de los “veteranos” de este Foro y con toda la razón del mundo…saludos FOXSTAR.

    EL PROYECTO HAARPP Y ….
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    Re: QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 05 May 2010 13:03
    por FOXSTAR
    Por cierto y disculpe la pregunta, pero creame que nos se el significado7función de la tecla F5, porque sies para refrescar la pantalla… no se pero yo le puse una frecuencia mas alta de la normal ahora es de 75 hz. y esto me dijeron que aumentaba el refresco de pantalla,he probado tocar la tecla F5 y no se observa nada especial solo que si parece que haga un refresco rápido nada mas, no me importa reconocerle que de Informatica estoy un poco pez y quizas por ignorancia no se de que habla, pero es asi, si quiere me lo explica.saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    Re: QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 05 May 2010 10:13
    por FOXSTAR
    Hola Buenos Dias:
    FRANCISCO GONZALEZ escribió:desmenuza y analiza todos los párrafos, sacándolos de contexto para tratar de ver amenazas y confabulaciones donde tan solo existe un diálogo de puro trámite, como quien habla del tiempo.

    Si es asi,pues mejor, quizas es cierto lo imagine.
    FRANCISCO GONZALEZ escribió:ayudado por la Red se de Ud. casi todo: donde vive, los trabajos que ha tenido y hasta ese teléfono móvil que tiene restringidas las llamadas entrantes. Todos estos datos han salido en este foro o por lo menos las pistas para conseguirlos

    En primer lugar creo que me da demasiada importancia…

    En segundo lugar no es que sea muy correcto ni LEGAL el uso o busqueda de “datos personales” de nadie.

    En tercer lugar permitame esta licencia..”no me haga reir”… todo lo que circula por la Red sobre mi es FALSO, si quiere le doy mas sitios..me pusieron en una página de Gays…me pusieron en un anuncio de un BMW impresionante que vendia por 1000e..se han registrado en 1000 sitios suplantando mi identidad…participán en Foros bajo mi “nick” y mil cosas de este tipo…la mas reciente en la cadena de Radio Cope…, naturalmente de la mayoria paso, pero algunos que han pasado el “limite” ya han tenido una buena respuesta en los juzgados y creame no ha sido poca cosa..

    Si ya nos ponemos a buscar… hay alguno mas que ya ha llegado a la amenaza de muerte, contra mi y mi familia.. y aqui si que ya he sido mas inflexible el último que hizo esto fue una lástima porque ya estaba citado a juicio y se ve que estaria metido en “asuntos turbios” porque, segun me dijo mi abogado apareció en su vehiculo con heridas de bala y se ve que esta medio paraplejico en un Hospital y claro ya no se le puede juzgar, se ve que entre sus mismos “amigos” arreglaron cuentas pendientes..

    Creame si tuviera la información real de mi trabajo… entonces lo entenderia… estoy muy preparado para salir de cualquier situación sin problemas para mi integridad, aparte que despues de tantos años uno ya desarrolla un 6º sentido para estas situaciones, siempre voy muy bién preparado ante cualquier “contingencia”.

    ¿Ve la diferencia? yo de ud. no se nada y con todo el respeto tampoco me preocupa en absoluto, tengo yo otras cosas que hacer que no “espiar” a un aficionado a la Radio,o tonterias infantiles por el “estilo”, eso si no quiere decir que por motivos laborales no pueda informarme de las cosas… y seguro que mejor que nadie, pero bueno este no es el caso.
    FRANCISCO GONZALEZ escribió:Nada que ver con lo que apunta de mantener correspondencia con otros miembros del Foro.

    Lo que no voy ha hacer aqui es dar infomación/mención de estos usuarios sin que esten presentes o lo autorizen,soy persona de honor y no traiciono, a diferencia de “otros” pero se quedaria “pasmado”, alguno incluso esta entre sus amigos agregados, es que es abrumador, por cierto si que algunos me han mencionado sobre su actitud hacia mi, pero lo crea o no le he disculpado, ya le he dicho que ud. es dentro de lo que cabe el unico “criticador” que se salva.
    FRANCISCO GONZALEZ escribió:Yo si he mantenido contactos con otros foreros, pero para temas sobre nuestra afición y sobre el funcionamiento del foro, en ningún caso como dice, para “ponerle a parir a Ud.” Aquí si que entra Ud. en la ofensa y el agravio, como le gusta decir a Ud. cuando alguien le replica.

    No si ya lo se… yo mismo le vuelvo a repetir que tengo y he leido estos mensajes por via e-mail suyos..¿que me esta contando?.. eso si le doy mi “palabra de Honor” que jamas los he mostrado a nadie ni lo he comentado y por supuesto no lo hare, lo que tenga es entre ud. y yo y punto… ahora bién no intente decirme que esto no es cierto, es TOTALMENTE CIERTO, “me crea o no me crea”.

    FRANCISCO GONZALEZ escribió:Finalmente indicarle que mis amigos los elijo yo, con su confianza por supuesto, y tengo absoluta y total confianza en ellos o sea que por ese camino va muy mal.

    No lo dudo… pero sobre todo en uno creo que la elección no ha sido correcta… y no le digo mas, allá ud., y se lo tengo que decir asi de claro no me gusta ir por “la espalda”, auque se que se reirá.. yo si le tengo a ud. en aprecio y habiamos hablado y arreglado las cosas hace tiempo,no dudo en absoluto ni cuestiono sus evidentes conocimientos tecnicos en Electronica y Electricidad, no soy ciego, no me importa reconocer que me pasa de largo.. en si mis limitados conocimientos se basan solo en “experimentación Practica, estudio, información y conocimientos adquiridos sobre Receptores y Antenas, nada mas,ud. ya se ve que posee titulación superior, ahy no llego, pero bueno si no se algo me informo, lo estudio, lo analizo, lo comprendo e incluso lo puedo reproducir, gracias a ello he sido capaz de reparar un complejo sistema,mecanico,electronico,quimico con solo medios al alcanze, un poco “atipico” pero es asi, aunque no poseea estos estudios, si poseo conocimiento incluso para desactivar sofisticados explosivos, a veces se adquieren conocimientos que te ayudan a salir de cualquier situación aunque no estes titulado.

    Ah y no haga mucho caso de lo que escribo o publico en el Foro a veces es “puro teatro” sin ninguna maldad, pero me parecen curiosas las reacciones de las personas y asi muchos delatan sus “rasgos”, nada mas que eso, nada serio asi que nose tome esto tan a pecho, que es una “aficion” para evadirse de los problemas y disfrutar, no para enfadarse o llevarse malos ratos.

    Como prueba de buena voluntad, he rectificado los mensajes del último post que le “aludian”, lo que pasa que uno no me lo permite y ya he enviado un MP a un moderador para que lo borre o arreglen la opcion de reeditar mensaje, que ahora es como un lapiz, no se pero desde el cambio me fallan opciones y navegador..

    Ud. mismo Pako “la pelota esta en su tejado”…. y de veras le agradeceria la publicación de algun post suyo, nada mas, si quiere que tengamos “buena sintonia2 por mi “borrón y cuenta nueva2, que vengo ha hacer amigos y divertirme y no a buscar “malos rollos2 con nadie y menos con ud…bastante tengo yo ya en mi casa….saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FRANCISCO GONZALEZ
    Re: QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 05 May 2010 08:52
    por FRANCISCO GONZALEZ
    Señor Martí:
    Como soy un caballero y me enorgullezco de mi educación, le contesto. Observará que le trato de Vd. en justa correspondencia a la variación experimentada en su escrito.
    Dicho lo anterior, paso a indicarle que puede interpretar como le plazca mi anterior escrito, ya que como siempre, desmenuza y analiza todos los párrafos, sacándolos de contexto para tratar de ver amenazas y confabulaciones donde tan solo existe un diálogo de puro trámite, como quien habla del tiempo.
    Mi opinión sobre Ud. se la manifesté hace ya algunos años y no ha variado, se ha ido fortaleciendo con la lectura de algunos post (otros no hay quien los lea) tanto es así, que poco a poco, yo lo apunto todo, y ayudado por la Red se de Ud. casi todo: donde vive, los trabajos que ha tenido y hasta ese teléfono móvil que tiene restringidas las llamadas entrantes. Todos estos datos han salido en este foro o por lo menos las pistas para conseguirlos, el resto pertenece a su generosa locuacidad, de la que hay que separar el grano (verdad) de la abundante paja (falacia). Nada que ver con lo que apunta de mantener correspondencia con otros miembros del Foro. Yo si he mantenido contactos con otros foreros, pero para temas sobre nuestra afición y sobre el funcionamiento del foro, en ningún caso como dice, para “ponerle a parir a Ud.” Aquí si que entra Ud. en la ofensa y el agravio, como le gusta decir a Ud. cuando alguien le replica.
    Finalmente indicarle que mis amigos los elijo yo, con su confianza por supuesto, y tengo absoluta y total confianza en ellos o sea que por ese camino va muy mal.
    Cordialmente Pako.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    Re: QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 05 May 2010 07:49
    por FOXSTAR
    Hola Pako, hasta hoy no he podido responder, tenia esto “colapsado”:

    MATIZEMOS:

    estuve en una casa rural que hay en Torroella de Montgri

    Vale, ya se donde…

    ya le pregunté a la Sra. de dicha casa, si conocía a D. Xavier Martí

    Hombre es que yo suelo venir aqui de veraneo, y me dedico a playa, sol y extranjeras, los demas del pueblo no me conocen, claro esto es un sitio turístico.

    ya me hubiera gustado conocerte… y cantarte unas cuantas cosas

    ¿? No me gustaria pensar que esto es una “amenaza”… …
    yo a ud. le hablaba sin ningun tipo de reproche, al contrario,seguro que si hubieramos hecho una “comida” por aqui y tras conocernos hubiera cambiado ud. radicalmente el concepto y la opinión virtual que tiene sobre mi y si no fuera asi no hubiera pasado nada,cada uno a la suya pero con respeto.

    En el segundo supuesto, si esto se trata de una “amenaza personal”…le informo que no las permito, ni las dejo pasar,el que me amenaza me encuentra y soy persona muy preparada para hacer frente a todo tipo de amenazas personales, que por otro lado me tienen bién tranquilo, espero que ud. no se referia a esto.

    De cualquier forma, yo suelo viajar por trabajo, con cierta frecuencia a un par de fábricas de por ahí. Ya te avisaré

    Por mi encantado, eso si siempre que no hablemos del “segundo supuesto”,si fuera asi le recomendaria que pasara inadvertido, si ud. quiere que hablemos y “limemos asperezas”, no hay problema, en si en el pasado ya lo hicimos y ud. y yo nos estrechamos la mano (virtualmente),lastima que ud. no cumplio su palabra, ese es uno de los motivos que hace dudar de su persona..aunque quizas me equivoque, bueno ya se ve que tiene mucho “pronto” pero después reflexiona, ya he visto que ha borrado el 2º mensaje MP que me ha enviado..

    Ya que estamos ahora en “frecuencia”….

    como Radioamigo, le vuelvo a avisar y aconsejar,se puede fiar mas de mi que de sus “supuestos amigos”…. alguno de ellos le esta traicionando… tengo alguno de sus e-mails que me han llegado de alguien X donde ud. me pone “a parir”, de veras no me lo esperaba y mas cuando nos habiamos “dado la mano” y arreglado diferencias,para mi fue una autentica “puñalada trapera” por la espalda… si no es porque se trata de e-mail y autentico no me lo hubiera creido…¿ahora entiende porque estoy tan molesto con ud.?..¿normal no?..¿ud. no lo estaria?..se tiene que ser persona ante todo.

    Bueno que no quiero que me acuse otra vez de hacer “ladrillos”…. si vuelve a venir por aqui me avisa anticipadamente se lo digo porque yo paso todo el año viviendo entre : Barcelona,Granada,Vallaldolid,L’estartit y Tenerife, en función del trabajo me encontrara o no
    mire en unos dias ya salgo hacia Tenerife y nos e cuanto estaré, a veces me tiro mas de 6 meses, je,je, con ese clima..cualquiera vuelve, donde paso mas tiempo es en BARCELONA.saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FRANCISCO GONZALEZ
    Re: QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 04 May 2010 18:54
    por FRANCISCO GONZALEZ
    Hola:
    Efectívamente estuve en una casa rural que hay en Torroella de Montgri y ya me hubiera gustado conocerte… y cantarte unas cuantas cosas. La verdad que ya le pregunté a la Sra. de dicha casa, si conocía a D. Xavier Martí, pero esto es como preguntar por Perico en Roma.
    De cualquier forma, yo suelo viajar por trabajo, con cierta frecuencia a un par de fábricas de por ahí. Ya te avisaré.
    Pako.

    FOXSTAR escribió:Buenas noches:

    Esta Semana Santa tengo previsto pasarla en la Costa Brava, mas concrétamente en esta zona.

    Ja,ja,ja…que pequeño es el mundo…si es que incluso pienso que estuvimos hablando..

    En serio acabo de leer este post… si lo hubiera sabido… resulta que alli tenemos 2 apartamentos de la “family” y suelo ir con frecuencia desde hace 30 años..

    Esta pasada “Semana Santa”,estuve ayudando a un amigo que tiene un Bar de copas y me presento varios Vascos, recuerdo también una pareja de Pamplona que tenian una “Harley”, ya me diras si ibas a un Bar llamado “SPLASH”, ponen musica Rock y variada.

    Si lo hubiera sabido, en serio te hubiera invitado a comer en un buen Restaurant de un amigo y podiamos haber hecho una visita a la base Americana LORAN que esta abandonada,o ir en Barco a las Islas Medas,pues vaya ha sido una lástima os hubiera hecho de guia por la zona.

    Que sepas que no tengo nada contigo, tu criticas, yo critico y asi, si en realidad me entretiene mucho y tambien divierte, en serio que no estoy enfadado , dentro de los criticadores se tiene que reconocer que tu tienes una clase y status, no entras en vulgaridades, aunque de vez en cuando me “vapuleas” muy finamente,eso si,,pero bueno que todos fueran como tu..

    Pues nada si quieres me dices si ibas a ese Bar… y un consejo ahora que quizas incluso estuvimos hablando… vigila a esos “amigos” que tienes y envias e-mails…quizas no son lo que parecen y no entienden lo que significa un e-mail privado, saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    QUE COINCIDENCIA
    Enviado: 04 May 2010 02:58
    por FOXSTAR
    Buenas noches:

    Esta Semana Santa tengo previsto pasarla en la Costa Brava, mas concrétamente en esta zona.

    Ja,ja,ja…que pequeño es el mundo…si es que incluso pienso que estuvimos hablando..

    En serio acabo de leer este post… si lo hubiera sabido… resulta que alli tenemos 2 apartamentos de la “family” y suelo ir con frecuencia desde hace 30 años..

    Esta pasada “Semana Santa”,estuve ayudando a un amigo que tiene un Bar de copas y me presento varios Vascos, recuerdo también una pareja de Pamplona que tenian una “Harley”, ya me diras si ibas a un Bar llamado “SPLASH”, ponen musica Rock y variada.

    Si lo hubiera sabido, en serio te hubiera invitado a comer en un buen Restaurant de un amigo y podiamos haber hecho una visita a la base Americana LORAN que esta abandonada,o ir en Barco a las Islas Medas,pues vaya ha sido una lástima os hubiera hecho de guia por la zona.

    Que sepas que no tengo nada contigo, tu criticas, yo critico y asi, si en realidad me entretiene mucho y tambien divierte, en serio que no estoy enfadado , dentro de los criticadores se tiene que reconocer que tu tienes una clase y status, no entras en vulgaridades, aunque de vez en cuando me “vapuleas” muy finamente,eso si,,pero bueno que todos fueran como tu..

    Pues nada si quieres me dices si ibas a ese Bar… y un consejo ahora que quizas incluso estuvimos hablando… vigila a esos “amigos” que tienes y envias e-mails…quizas no son lo que parecen y no entienden lo que significa un e-mail privado, saludos.FOXSTAR.

    Señor Martí:
    Como soy un caballero y me enorgullezco de mi educación, le contesto. Observará que le trato de Vd. en justa correspondencia a la variación experimentada en su escrito.
    Dicho lo anterior, paso a indicarle que puede interpretar como le plazca mi anterior escrito, ya que como siempre, desmenuza y analiza todos los párrafos, sacándolos de contexto para tratar de ver amenazas y confabulaciones donde tan solo existe un diálogo de puro trámite, como quien habla del tiempo.
    Mi opinión sobre Ud. se la manifesté hace ya algunos años y no ha variado, se ha ido fortaleciendo con la lectura de algunos post (otros no hay quien los lea) tanto es así, que poco a poco, yo lo apunto todo, y ayudado por la Red se de Ud. casi todo: donde vive, los trabajos que ha tenido y hasta ese teléfono móvil que tiene restringidas las llamadas entrantes. Todos estos datos han salido en este foro o por lo menos las pistas para conseguirlos, el resto pertenece a su generosa locuacidad, de la que hay que separar el grano (verdad) de la abundante paja (falacia). Nada que ver con lo que apunta de mantener correspondencia con otros miembros del Foro. Yo si he mantenido contactos con otros foreros, pero para temas sobre nuestra afición y sobre el funcionamiento del foro, en ningún caso como dice, para “ponerle a parir a Ud.” Aquí si que entra Ud. en la ofensa y el agravio, como le gusta decir a Ud. cuando alguien le replica.
    Finalmente indicarle que mis amigos los elijo yo, con su confianza por supuesto, y tengo absoluta y total confianza en ellos o sea que por ese camino va muy mal.
    Cordialmente Pako.

    Hola MIKE, salutacions cordials!!, bueno como no se si eres Catalan o lo entiendes escribire en la lengua de Quevedo, bueno parece que ya somos 3 en Girona un poco lamentable pero algo es algo, la verdad es que hay poquisima aficion aqui, solo tienes que mirara las tiendas? no hay nada..
    ZENER y no son especialistas en el tema , es una pena, bueno pues encantado de saludarte desde el Baix Empord‡.

    Hola MIKE, salutacions cordials!!, bueno como no se si eres Catalan o lo entiendes escribire en la lengua de Quevedo, bueno parece que ya somos 3 en Girona un poco lamentable pero algo es algo, la verdad es que hay poquisima aficion aqui, solo tienes que mirara las tiendas? no hay nada..
    ZENER y no son especialistas en el tema , es una pena, bueno pues encantado de saludarte desde el Baix Empord‡.

    Si asi esta la cosa por aqui y he sido muy “Light” o sea que te puedes imaginar…. sobre la “cita” de Sitges…je,je..es que nunca coincide al ser fin de semana..”pincho” y es un dinero yy un compromiso claro, aparte tengo unos problemas con la “X” que son de cine, o sea que no tengo muy bién la cosa, a ver si nos vemos un dia que pueda combinarmlo bién,saludos.FOXSTAR.

    Hola, NO eso tampoco es asi, eso es lo que parece….

    Te lo digo porque manejo información directa de Administrador y moderadores y lo que ha pasado es que muchos de estos “supuestos y ejemplares” usarios estaban detras de una auténtica “trama” para hundir este Foro, parecen unos “angelitos”..je,je menuda “gentuza”, lo han intentado todo y su especialidad es coger a los nuevos y lavarles el cerebro en contra de administrador,moderadores y de Foxstar, los utilizan a modo de “titeres” aprovechando su desconocimiento del Foro por su reciente incorporación.

    La mayoria de los que hablas no se han marchado no…han sido expulsados permanentemente de este Foro por “activides Ilegales y delictivas”,no te digo esto por decir es que gracias a una especial vigilancia que se estaba llevando de estos “esperpentos” han sido “pillados in fraganti”, eso si sin ánimo de protagonismo con alguna “ayudita” mia…

    Entre otras cosas tenemos e-mails y MP donde se habla de todo esto y se insta a acabar con el Foro, en otros se me “alude” y se me designa como elemento “prioritario” (je,je, que honor..), ahora lo peor son las amenazas personales que han recibido Administrador,Moderadores y Foxstar, precisamente por el motivo de mi enfado un moderador X me enseño la última que le mando un tal X, ni los “mafiosos”, vamos, que payasos…por eso también yo rectifique el mensaje, y pensar que el principal fundo otro Foro, eso si como “cabeza visible” detras de el estan todos estos “macarrillas” de tres al cuarto porque eso es lo que son, solo con varias de estas pruebas que tenemos, se podria encarcelar a alguno, esto son delitos y ya son temas serios.

    Ya ves como esta el “tema” y lo que parece desde fuera, la verdad es que el Admin. y moderadores han sido muy discretos y no han querido decir nada, pero los expulsados y demas han sido con motivos serios y objetivos, bueno que me enrollo como una persiana.saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    Re: ¿QUE PASA?
    Enviado: 24 Abr 2010 19:28
    por FOXSTAR
    Si ya, pero un comentario asi aunque ya se que sin mala intención da a entender que se “avecina tormenta” en el post, es como avisar de la que se avecina, por ello el moderador optó por cambiarlo de sitio y mira lo que ha pasado…

    Te digo en serio que si no llega a ser por Robert y algun moderador mas que me han escrito y me han dado explicaciones, en serio me iba de aqui…solo faltaria que no se pudiera hacer un post que toca esta temática…ni que estuvieramos en una “dictadura” este post no vulnera ninguna regla del foro y el mismo Robert me ha dicho que es cierto y encima le parece muy interesante, fue la acción “unilateral”de ese moderador concreto, prefirio tomar esa acción por si acaso, pero eso no es correcto com ya les dije, no podemos permitir que estos “4″ engendros coarten la libertad de expresion de todo este foro, hasta ahi habriamos llegado.

    Y te vuelvo a repetir, ya se que tu comentario fue “inocente”, pero como estan tan “sensibles” a dado pie a estas acciones posteriores total que el post ahi escondido, en si buscar “leña” la buscarán en uno u otro apartado pero a mi mira, aqui les estoy esperando,saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE PASA?
    Enviado: 23 Abr 2010 19:20
    por FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE PASA?..¿A QUE VIENE EL COMENTARIO?…

    Lo unico que has conseguido haciendo ese comentario en el post sobre grabaciones con ovni es crear alarma, ahora lo han sacado de alli llevado a chit chat y quedara relegado al olvido y cerrado, de verdad que no me esperaba esto, en fin me voy a ir de este foro porque no vale la pena perder el tiempoi en colaborar sin interes economico y encima que pase estoFOXSTAR.

    Te lo digo porque manejo información directa de Administrador y moderadores y lo que ha pasado es que muchos de estos “supuestos y ejemplares” usarios estaban detras de una auténtica “trama” para hundir este Foro, parecen unos “angelitos”..je,je menuda “gentuza”, lo han intentado todo y su especialidad es coger a los nuevos y lavarles el cerebro en contra de administrador,moderadores y de Foxstar, los utilizan a modo de “titeres” aprovechando su desconocimiento del Foro por su reciente incorporación.

    La mayoria de los que hablas no se han marchado no…han sido expulsados permanentemente de este Foro por “activides Ilegales y delictivas”,no te digo esto por decir es que gracias a una especial vigilancia que se estaba llevando de estos “esperpentos” han sido “pillados in fraganti”, eso si sin ánimo de protagonismo con alguna “ayudita” mia…

    Entre otras cosas tenemos e-mails y MP donde se habla de todo esto y se insta a acabar con el Foro, en otros se me “alude” y se me designa como elemento “prioritario” (je,je, que honor..), ahora lo peor son las amenazas personales que han recibido Administrador,Moderadores y Foxstar, precisamente por el motivo de mi enfado un moderador X me enseño la última que le mando un tal X, ni los “mafiosos”, vamos, que payasos…por eso también yo rectifique el mensaje, y pensar que el principal fundo otro Foro, eso si como “cabeza visible” detras de el estan todos estos “macarrillas” de tres al cuarto porque eso es lo que son, solo con varias de estas pruebas que tenemos, se podria encarcelar a alguno, esto son delitos y ya son temas serios.

    Ya ves como esta el “tema” y lo que parece desde fuera, la verdad es que el Admin. y moderadores han sido muy discretos y no han querido decir nada, pero los expulsados y demas han sido con motivos serios y objetivos, bueno que me enrollo como una persiana.saludos.FOXSTAR.

    Hola, NO eso tampoco es asi, eso es lo que parece….

    Te lo digo porque manejo información directa de Administrador y moderadores y lo que ha pasado es que muchos de estos “supuestos y ejemplares” usarios estaban detras de una auténtica “trama” para hundir este Foro, parecen unos “angelitos”..je,je menuda “gentuza”, lo han intentado todo y su especialidad es coger a los nuevos y lavarles el cerebro en contra de administrador,moderadores y de Foxstar, los utilizan a modo de “titeres” aprovechando su desconocimiento del Foro por su reciente incorporación.

    La mayoria de los que hablas no se han marchado no…han sido expulsados permanentemente de este Foro por “activides Ilegales y delictivas”,no te digo esto por decir es que gracias a una especial vigilancia que se estaba llevando de estos “esperpentos” han sido “pillados in fraganti”, eso si sin ánimo de protagonismo con alguna “ayudita” mia…

    Entre otras cosas tenemos e-mails y MP donde se habla de todo esto y se insta a acabar con el Foro, en otros se me “alude” y se me designa como elemento “prioritario” (je,je, que honor..), ahora lo peor son las amenazas personales que han recibido Administrador,Moderadores y Foxstar, precisamente por el motivo de mi enfado un moderador X me enseño la última que le mando un tal X, ni los “mafiosos”, vamos, que payasos…por eso también yo rectifique el mensaje, y pensar que el principal fundo otro Foro, eso si como “cabeza visible” detras de el estan todos estos “macarrillas” de tres al cuarto porque eso es lo que son, solo con varias de estas pruebas que tenemos, se podria encarcelar a alguno, esto son delitos y ya son temas serios.

    Ya ves como esta el “tema” y lo que parece desde fuera, la verdad es que el Admin. y moderadores han sido muy discretos y no han querido decir nada, pero los expulsados y demas han sido con motivos serios y objetivos, bueno que me enrollo como una persiana.saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    Re: ¿QUE PASA?
    Enviado: 24 Abr 2010 19:28
    por FOXSTAR
    Si ya, pero un comentario asi aunque ya se que sin mala intención da a entender que se “avecina tormenta” en el post, es como avisar de la que se avecina, por ello el moderador optó por cambiarlo de sitio y mira lo que ha pasado…

    Te digo en serio que si no llega a ser por Robert y algun moderador mas que me han escrito y me han dado explicaciones, en serio me iba de aqui…solo faltaria que no se pudiera hacer un post que toca esta temática…ni que estuvieramos en una “dictadura” este post no vulnera ninguna regla del foro y el mismo Robert me ha dicho que es cierto y encima le parece muy interesante, fue la acción “unilateral”de ese moderador concreto, prefirio tomar esa acción por si acaso, pero eso no es correcto com ya les dije, no podemos permitir que estos “4″ engendros coarten la libertad de expresion de todo este foro, hasta ahi habriamos llegado.

    Y te vuelvo a repetir, ya se que tu comentario fue “inocente”, pero como estan tan “sensibles” a dado pie a estas acciones posteriores total que el post ahi escondido, en si buscar “leña” la buscarán en uno u otro apartado pero a mi mira, aqui les estoy esperando,saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE PASA?
    Enviado: 23 Abr 2010 19:20
    por FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE PASA?..¿A QUE VIENE EL COMENTARIO?…

    Lo unico que has conseguido haciendo ese comentario en el post sobre grabaciones con ovni es crear alarma, ahora lo han sacado de alli llevado a chit chat y quedara relegado al olvido y cerrado, de verdad que no me esperaba esto, en fin me voy a ir de este foro porque no vale la pena perder el tiempoi en colaborar sin interes economico y encima que pase estoFOXSTAR.
    Hola gracias por tu pronta respuesta, la verdad es que si estava molesto..pero tengo que reconocer que tanto administrador como moderadores enseguida se han puesto en contacto conmigo y han sido personas, esto es evidente,estaba bastante enfadado pero como suelen decir “dos no se enfadan si uno no quiere” y en este caso todos han demostrado interés y preocupación, por tanto me veo obligado a retoceder y retractarme, no es cuestión de hacer la “pista a los malos” que ya sabemos no cesan en su empeño de hundir este foro motivo de mas para seguir adelante, te lo creas o no e recibido un monton de e-mails y algun MP que me ha sorprendido.. solo por esto ya vale la pena seguir, os expreso el mayor de mis agradecimientos tanto a ti como a los moderadores..adelante con el nº1 ESCANERFRECUENCIAS!!!.saludos cordiales.FOXSTAR.

    Hola gracias por tu pronta respuesta, la verdad es que si estava molesto..pero tengo que reconocer que tanto administrador como moderadores enseguida se han puesto en contacto conmigo y han sido personas, esto es evidente,estaba bastante enfadado pero como suelen decir “dos no se enfadan si uno no quiere” y en este caso todos han demostrado interés y preocupación, por tanto me veo obligado a retoceder y retractarme, no es cuestión de hacer la “pista a los malos” que ya sabemos no cesan en su empeño de hundir este foro motivo de mas para seguir adelante, te lo creas o no e recibido un monton de e-mails y algun MP que me ha sorprendido.. solo por esto ya vale la pena seguir, os expreso el mayor de mis agradecimientos tanto a ti como a los moderadores..adelante con el nº1 ESCANERFRECUENCIAS!!!.saludos cordiales.FOXSTAR.

    Me olvidaba he enviado un MP de protesta al moderador Huberto, le adjunto copia para que no se manipule este MP aqui ya no me fio de nadie.
    FOXSTAR.

    COPIA DEL MP:

    Me parece muy bién que “vele” por el FORO pero no de manera personal en vez de atacarme de esta manera haga el favor de hacer lo que tiene que hacer con toda la “porqueria” que hay por aqui debajo, expliqueme ud. porque continua registrado este usuario, le muestro uno de los MP mas light que me mando:

    usuario:felibeer

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    • Citar FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE ESTA PASANDO?…
    Enviado: 23 Abr 2010 19:00
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    Hola,Robert, ¿como estas? espero que bien.

    Mira te escribo este MP para decirte que no me ha gustado nada el cambio de apartado que habeis hecho de un post de SERVICIOS DESCONOCIDOS a CHIT-CHAT sinceramente lo considero un desprecio y una humillacion al trabajo que hago sin interes en este Foro el post es este:

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    Ya he replicado y manifestado mi repulsa ante este hecho en el mismo “post” que lo único que consigue es hacer crecer al “club de los “cizañeros”, es trabajar a favor de ellos, no se si ha sido la actitud aislada de este moderador o ha sido en consenso, pro me ha sentado como una “puñalada por la espalda” estoy muy molesto y esto crea un “antes y un depues”, te lo digo personalmente y asi se evitan mal entendidos, pero repito no lo acepto.FOXSTAR.

    [quote="huberto252"]Cuando reciba un mensaje de esos notifíquelo al administrador o a mi personalmente por MP y automáticamente procederé a a darlo de baja al instante.

    Prácticamente todas las semanas borro multinicks de este mismo señor y además soy amenazado por emails procedentes de un tal Juan Moreno Amores, cuando quiera le adjunto decenas de mensajes con las amenazas y insultos que dirige a mí.

    !Ostras! esto si que no lo sabia…en serio que pensaba que solo era yo..
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    En cuanto al tema de moderación yo no quiero evaluar a la persona que trabaja para este foro valoro el gesto y el gesto de cambiar de un apartado apropiado a otro inapropiado para servir de carnaza a los “personajes” no me ha gustado y lo tengo que decir, ahora bien ya le digo que no critico moderacion critico gest, si en otra cosa se ha sentido ofendido le pido mis disculpas por esta parte en ese sentido, en cuanto al cambio de apartados continuo manteniendo que una grabacion autentica de radiaficionados no tiene que ir a CHIT-CHAT, esa es mi opinion y asi la mantendre.saludos.FOXSTAR.

    Me parece muy bién que “vele” por el FORO pero no de manera personal en vez de atacarme de esta manera haga el favor de hacer lo que tiene que hacer con toda la “porqueria” que hay por aqui debajo, expliqueme ud. porque continua registrado este usuario, le muestro uno de los MP mas light que me mando:

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    por lo menos pareces un jilipollas redomado con tu actitud.pareces un entendido ,pero dentro del foro pareces una autentica mierda.No seas un entendido ( te cres )…. engreido que de tu vida te pueden decir mas de una cosa que tu prefieras esconder.

    encima este es de los que bajo otro “nick” se hace el respetable, !vamos hombre! y se preocupan de mis posts.. ¿y de mi vida personal que? que no paran de amenazarme y hacer la vida imposible, preocupese ud, de estos delincuentes y no de quien colabora para mantener este foro.FOXSTAR.

    [quote="huberto252"]Cuando reciba un mensaje de esos notifíquelo al administrador o a mi personalmente por MP y automáticamente procederé a a darlo de baja al instante.

    Prácticamente todas las semanas borro multinicks de este mismo señor y además soy amenazado por emails procedentes de un tal Juan Moreno Amores, cuando quiera le adjunto decenas de mensajes con las amenazas y insultos que dirige a mí.

    !Ostras! esto si que no lo sabia…en serio que pensaba que solo era yo..
    si es Juanito tengo una coleccion de e-mails donde pone a todos a ….y me aprieta para que deje este foro y colabore en el suyo con toda la cúpula que tiene detras….y que conocemos..su actitud cambio cuando le dije que yo no dejaba este foro…entonces ya fueron amenazas..aunque no piense que esta el solo son varios mas y de aspecto respetable que no soportan ver como este foro sube.

    En cuanto al tema de moderación yo no quiero evaluar a la persona que trabaja para este foro valoro el gesto y el gesto de cambiar de un apartado apropiado a otro inapropiado para servir de carnaza a los “personajes” no me ha gustado y lo tengo que decir, ahora bien ya le digo que no critico moderacion critico gest, si en otra cosa se ha sentido ofendido le pido mis disculpas por esta parte en ese sentido, en cuanto al cambio de apartados continuo manteniendo que una grabacion autentica de radiaficionados no tiene que ir a CHIT-CHAT, esa es mi opinion y asi la mantendre.saludos.FOXSTAR.
    • Citar FOXSTAR
    ¿QUE PASA?…
    Enviado: 23 Abr 2010 19:11
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    Me parece muy bién que “vele” por el FORO pero no de manera personal en vez de atacarme de esta manera haga el favor de hacer lo que tiene que hacer con toda la “porqueria” que hay por aqui debajo, expliqueme ud. porque continua registrado este usuario, le muestro uno de los MP mas light que me mando:

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    encima este es de los que bajo otro “nick” se hace el respetable, !vamos hombre! y se preocupan de mis posts.. ¿y de mi vida personal que? que no paran de amenazarme y hacer la vida imposible, preocupese ud, de estos delincuentes y no de quien colabora para mantener este foro.FOXSTAR.

    Pues si me ha molestado y ya le he mandado MP de protesta a Huberto y a Robert, yo no estoy de acuerdo y como tal lo tengo que decir y expresar, posiblemente si hubiera recibido tu MP antes no lo hubiera hecho o no me hubiera molestado tanto, todo y esto te agradezco mucho el detalle que has tenido por MP, ahora estoy enojado y no lo voy a esconder, si encima que colaboras tantas horas y ayudas a este foro encima te hacen esto no lo veo correcto, el apartado donde se publico es el CORRECTO son grabaciones de Radioaficionados autenticas y van alli si alguien las cambia, esta faltandome al respeto me esta perjudicando sin motivo objetivo por tanto me lo tomo mal, mira ya lleva 100 visitas,creo que si hay interes en este post, meterlo hay perdido es hacerle el favor a todos estos que hay por aqui luchando para hundir este foro si dais este trato al que colabora…no me extraña que se crezcan hata hundir este foro que es su objetivo como todos sabeis, ya le he dicho a Huberto que se preocupe de erradicar estos personajes y no de mi que soy casi un trabajador de esta enpresa encima d e “cornudo” “apaleado” esto si que ya no lo voy a aceptar
    mira una muestra a ver porque continua este por aqui:

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    por lo menos pareces un jilipollas redomado con tu actitud.pareces un entendido ,pero dentro del foro pareces una autentica mierda.No seas un entendido ( te cres )…. engreido que de tu vida te pueden decir mas de una cosa que tu prefieras esconder.

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